In Andy's rebuttal:
Momentum. C# already has Regular expressions, it took Java a lot longer into its maturity to get there. The sheer momentum of the development of C# is greater than the early years of Java. Its not what M$ had hoped for, and expectations are rather high... But what are we comparing it to? Java 1.0 is the appropriate comparison IMHO. I wouldn't use it in a clients big production system..but I didn't back then with Java either.
I think comparing actual C# with Java 1.0 is wrong. It's like comparing Internet Explorer 6 with Netscape 4. You have a product which builds things, year after year (community, momentum, yada, yada). When the critical mass is reached, another company comes, and with some millions of US$, advertises "forget that, we're better". Whether the claim is true or not has little importance, the point is that history of both products must be taken in account. Just imagine that today MS launches with a big advertising campaign a news aggregator. The critical mass of feeds is reached, several client are available to be reaped off. And now somebody comes and says "The MS News Aggregator client has more momentum than Userland Radio (version from 07/2000)". You get my point.
ECMA standardization. C# and the basic CLR and CLI are standards.
ECMA standardization is good bu doesn't bring that many things. Netscape JavaScript and MicroSoft JScript have been ECMA-262 compliants for "ages", the real blocking point in cross-browser scripting was the definition of objects like 'document' and so on, which are not part of the standard. We see the same today with almost all .Net client applications which are not cross-platform, even with Mono's adherence with those standards.
Seperation of the VM/JIT/etc from the language.
The VM/JIT is bounded to the CLI. How much time before a straight CLI -> C# decompiler (whatever the original language)?
Mono. Mono is independant and already far better quality and has more momentum than Kaffe or any of the rest ever had (I never was happy with blackdown and now that its largely merged with Sun's there seems to be little real point these days).
I've to agree we that one. Ximian has jumped on MicroSoft's bandwagon faster than the light, and put the cash on the table. Meanwhile, the need for a competitive open source Java VM is less proeminent than for .net.(Cyberpunk, 2004/05/19 07:27)
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Record battu, 439 jours. Le 5 janvier 2003, je contacte le support IBM pour leur signaler que leur Update Connector a des problèmes de fonctionnement, qu'il n'arrive pas à récupérer les mises à jours, traces au format tcpdump à l'appui. Vendredi, le 19 mars 2004, je reçois la réponse suivante :
Cher Mr Bonvillain,
Merci d'avoir contacté le Support Technique IBM, le service IBM Update Connector ne fonctionnant pas parfaitement en Europe, je vous conseille plutôt de mettre a jour les pilotes de votre machine, via le site www.tpdrivers.com
Cordialement
Xxxx Xxxxx
Support Technique IBM
Merci IBM !(Cyberpunk, 2004/05/19 07:22)
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Via le Glazblog, le conseil de l'Europe a approuvé préliminèrement les brevets sur les logiciels, il ne reste plus qu'une étape mineure avant que ça ne devienne la règle en Europe. Etant donné que la blogosphère va abondamment commenter, je vais faire court. C'est quoi l'informatique en entreprise aujourd'hui ? Un ensemble de technologies tellement évoluées qu'un amateur à peine majeur arrive à empêcher des entreprises de fonctionner (ne riez pas, c'est arrivé aussi où je travaille en ce moment). C'est quoi les brevets logiciels ? C'est permettre à des armées d'avocats de pondre des kilos de document pour protéger des idées dignes d'un enfant de 5 ans, comme le one-click d'Amazon, le passage à l'an 2000 de McDonnell Douglas, la vente sur internet accordée à OpenMarket Inc... Les seuls gagnants dans l'affaire sont les juristes, et ce n'est malheureusement pas une profession en crise. Bravo le Conseil de l'Europe, c'est con et contre-productif, bel exemple.(Cyberpunk, 2004/05/19 05:53)
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Found via Anthony, this interesting piece from Bryan Young: Mono and the Open Source Boom. I won't detail it paragraph by paragraph, as Anthony did a great job at that. What is surprising is the contradiction between the title and the content. Roughly half of the content is dedicated to how Microsoft is doing great things and how Microsoft understands everything, and the first thing understood is the great failure of Java. I won't go into the detail, the article is public, but you can see all the bias here. In Anthony's comments, Bryan Young praises himself for not having attended or read any of Microsoft marketing departement production, only having read a book on .net and some chapters on MSDN: here is another contradiction.
What there is to understand is not how Mono is going to bring something to the Open Source movement, but how lame some voices became over the years. The problem is not the acceptation or not of some "gift" from Microsoft: it is not acceptable, there is no gift. Microsoft has not the power it wants on the server market, thus it had to start a new PR campaign. On the desktop, .net is evolutionnary, the market is already acquired, the main remaining target is not Java, it's Delphi, that's why Microsoft hired Paul Gross and Anders Hejlsberg. What Mono really is: a free ticket. Microsoft makes a market pitch with "cross-platform", Open Source developers realize it. Microsoft says: Longhorn and Avalon are the best you could hope, Mono enthousiasts spread the word. It's not like the computing world needs Longhorn, neither .net, neither all the gag words: all of this is just a bet upon Moore's law. And less of all, Open Source community needs Mono, Yet Another "Cross Platform" Framework.(Cyberpunk, 2004/05/19 05:53)
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mercredi 19 mai 2004
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